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Post by X-Nemeth on Feb 26, 2017 12:22:41 GMT
Updated top post. If there is something you disagree with, put it here. I will try to keep it up to date from rumors and so on. Less work for Linde.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Feb 26, 2017 12:30:00 GMT
Updated top post. If there is something you disagree with, put it here. I will try to keep it up to date from rumors and so on. Less work for Linde. I think you can remove the question mark in the alliance between Tir Moreth and Umbria, also I believe the alliance between Bayard and Lothia/ToB has been, ehm... Discontinued with extreme prejudice? ATA: Also Tor Moreth and Carleon are both part of the war with ToB, Lothia and LT. |
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Post by X-Nemeth on Feb 26, 2017 12:49:07 GMT
Updated top post. If there is something you disagree with, put it here. I will try to keep it up to date from rumors and so on. Less work for Linde. I think you can remove the question mark in the alliance between Tir Moreth and Umbria, also I believe the alliance between Bayard and Lothia/ToB has been, ehm... Discontinued with extreme prejudice? ATA: Also Tor Moreth and Carleon are both part of the war with ToB, Lothia and LT. Updated. Did Tir Moreth and Carleon declare war by decree? What about Camelot? As an outsider I find the whole thing to be a mess politically, hence "-", which is lack of information. |
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Feb 26, 2017 12:52:08 GMT
The dwarves pretty much asked Umbria, TOG and the Central alliance to intervene in the war.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Feb 26, 2017 13:04:41 GMT
Tir Moreth, Carleon, Bayard and Mercia did not declare war, though Camelot did, but declared or not they sent troops, or in Carleon case a commander, so they're in the war. The dwarfes actually only called on Umbria, though I don't think they're complaining about the extra help, but ToG called on all it's allies, and Umbria called on "all who care for justice and peace".
Anyways nice of you to do this, it's a really good resouce.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Feb 26, 2017 13:39:27 GMT
stopping genocide against elfs: war 1, stopping genocide against dwarves: war 2, and its is an excellent way to make friends *chaotic laughter*  |
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Feb 26, 2017 15:09:42 GMT
As Umbria stated, the Dwarves called on them in their defensive war against Lothia/TOB. That's one war. TOG declared war and called upon allies and close partners, of whom Camelot and Caerleon sent troops. This is a second war. Bayard and GLF versus Lothia/TOB is possibly a third war. This is where it gets complicated as there was a treaty signed versus Lothia/TOB in Turn 9 (*see link). This treaty had Umbria, ToG, Camelot, Caerleon, Mercia, NT, Tir Moreth, North Hold, and Dwarven Craftsmen Guild agree to a division of the Lothian Lands as a beforehand agreement to general war on Lothia/TOB. Now, I do not know about Tir Moreth and Mercia declaring war. As Mercia nicely pointed out with their mad laughter they are Chaotic Neutral so we won't get into that. Tir Moreth was called by Umbria I assume, no idea how that exactly went. On account of Camelot and Caerleon, they were called to war by TOG, I do not exactly know about any specific declarations by them and how far they were needed in this case. (* birthrightalbion.freeforums.net/thread/844/turn-signing-treaty-tob-lothia?page=1&scrollTo=8816 , thanks Umbria for bringing it up.) PS. Thanks for the hard work on this. |
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Feb 26, 2017 15:43:00 GMT
Some notes for the grid.
In Hibernia,
Nagnatii is at war with Robogdii.
I believe HTOG is State faith to Lyceni, so an A should denote them.
The Slavers have peace treaties with Dumonia, Southwestern Traders, Alined, TOG, Caerleon, Camelot, Mercia and Gawant. (Turn 8)
TOG's line should have a D where it intersects ET (the reverse is already correct). There should also be a D between TOG and NSE and vice versa.
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Post by X-Nemeth on Feb 26, 2017 16:14:35 GMT
Some notes for the grid. In Hibernia, Nagnatii is at war with Robogdii. I believe HTOG is State faith to Lyceni, so an A should denote them. The Slavers have peace treaties with Dumonia, Southwestern Traders, Alined, TOG, Caerleon, Camelot, Mercia and Gawant. (Turn 8) TOG's line should have a D where it intersects ET (the reverse is already correct). There should also be a D between TOG and NSE and vice versa. Updated. |
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Feb 26, 2017 16:38:45 GMT
Bayard is at war with ToB as well and now that I think about it Umbria and Nagnatii are allied.
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Post by X-Nemeth on Feb 26, 2017 21:27:02 GMT
Updated with alignments.
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Post by SouthWestern Traders on Feb 26, 2017 21:30:20 GMT
D is probably the appropriate description of the relationship between NSE-SWT and ToG-SWT
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Feb 26, 2017 21:58:17 GMT
Oh, TOG-NT should be D as well along those lines. And Slavers needs updating vertically for the peace treaties as well.
Nice work Nemeth, it certainly is useful now things start to get complicated. Do you think Vassal should have its own denotation?
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Feb 26, 2017 22:23:35 GMT
Vassal's officially use the same foreign policy as their overlord unless otherwise agreed, but that would be more the theory rather than common truth.
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Post by X-Nemeth on Feb 27, 2017 7:13:29 GMT
Vassals go firmly under A(Alliance), since you do not know exactly their vassal/liege agreement entails, just that it exists.
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