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Post by Linde (x-GM) on Nov 2, 2016 1:15:34 GMT
Domain alignment affect the natural stability of your domain.
But besides being a pesky cap on how much your natural stability it can also affect certain actions.
For example: A chaotic realm that signs multiple defensive treaties or enter grand alliances will suffer hardship, most likely in the form of regency loss and/or negative events.
The exact nature of the hardship depends on an individual evaluation of how out of sync the action is with your domains alignment.
If you submit a turn with actions that would result in regency loss (such as a chaotic domain making too many treaties, a lawful domain ignoring or breaking a treaty, a good domain occupying their own land to pillage an enemy holding, or an evil domain setting taxes to None just to push prosperity up further in the positive.) I will warn you and allow you the choice of either: 1: Going through with the action and face the consequences. 2: The action auto fail as your advisors stop the madness you were doing.
If you have doubt that an action might bring hardship to you for ignoring your alignment, I will be happy to answer your individual questions.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Nov 2, 2016 1:29:28 GMT
This seems specifically aimed at Mercia/Tir Moreth and seems equally restrictive to being a Lawful realm, but i might be overreacting.
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Post by Linde (x-GM) on Nov 2, 2016 1:41:49 GMT
If a Chaotic population is bound by too many treaties it is acting lawful. Thus friction is created.
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Post by Caerleon (Tristan) on Nov 2, 2016 1:45:59 GMT
From the regents guide pg 11-12.
Lawful Good: A lawful good domain will act in its own interest, but will take into account the good of the domains it needs to interact with. A lawful good domain will try to regulate its relationship with other domains through treaties that are beneficial to both, and will stick to those treaties unless the other part blatantly breaks them. A lawful good realm can also be counted on to contribute to the greater good if need be – if a neighbour experiences civil war, the lawful good neighbour might intervene “to set things right”. At best a lawful good domain is a loyal and trustworthy ally, at worst it is constantly interfering in matters that are none of its business.
Lawful Neutral: A lawful neutral domain has its own interests at heart, but will pursue them within the framework of the existing socio-political context. A lawful neutral domain will regulate its relationship with other domains through binding treaties beneficial to itself, and will stick to those treaties unless broken by the other party. A lawful neutral domain will help out its neighbours and allies even if no treaty exists, but they will almost always demand something in return for their aid. At best a lawful neutral domain is a dependable and well-meaning neighbour, at worst it is either unapproachable or opportunistic.
Lawful Evil: A lawful evil domain only takes its own interests into account. They are willing to do anything to further their goals, even at the expense of their neighbours, but only as long as it does not openly or blatantly break with established norms. Use of force is very legitimate for a lawful evil domain. A lawful evil domain will often openly support the status quo, while secretly working outside it to increase its own power. At best a lawful evil domain can be a valuable and stable ally, at worst it is storehouse for clandestine subversion and insidious power plays.
Neutral Good: A neutral good domain is not completely selfless, but does take the best interests of others into account as well, and will rarely try to take unfair advantage of anyone. A neutral good domain is generally happy to work with anyone, except openly evil or violent domains. At best a neutral good domain can be a mediator between enemies and a stabilizing presence in its region, at worst it degenerates into passivity and helplessness.
Neutral: A neutral domain is somewhere in between. It has its own interests foremost in mind, and is willing to fight hard to achieve them. Sometimes a neutral domain will go to extreme measures, but usually it will stick to established norms (or whatever it thinks it can get away with). A neutral domain can function well with any other domain alignment. It prefers to regulate relations by treaty and generally stick to those, but is pragmatic enough to realize that sometimes treaties need to be sacrificed.
Neutral Evil: A neutral evil domain is similar to a neutral domain, but it is all the more concerned with its own needs, and generally willing to go further in pursuit of those needs. A neutral evil domain can function well enough, and is by no means a stranger to diplomacy and treaties. Over time, however, neutral evil domains will probably acquire a bad reputation (probably deservedly so), which may make others reluctant to deal with them. At best a neutral evil domain is just a (very) pragmatic ally, at worst it is treachery waiting to happen. Chaotic Good: A chaotic good domain is first and foremost concerned with maintaining its independence and integrity. Use of force is legitimate for a chaotic good domain, in so far as it serves some greater good or is used in the pursuit of freedom and independence. A chaotic good domain functions well as part of an alliance, but less so as somebody’s vassal. It also does not take well to political strong-arming. At best a chaotic good domain is a loyal ally as well as your very best friend, at worst it is prideful and stubborn to a fault.
Chaotic Neutral: A chaotic neutral domain is not so very different from a chaotic good domain, but is probably even more concerned with internal rather than external affairs. Use of force is seen as a legitimate solution. A chaotic neutral domain is almost never part of any alliance, nor can it exists for long as anybody’s vassal. At best a chaotic neutral domain is somebody that will never interfere in your affairs, at worst it is an unstable and unpredictable neighbour that you really can’t control.
Chaotic Evil: A chaotic evil domain prides itself with its freedom from the influence of others – but unlike other chaotic domains it has no qualms about exerting influence over others. A chaotic evil domain is always seeking to gain more power over its weaker neighbours, while making sure no threat to its own dominion grows too strong. At best a chaotic evil domain either ignores you because you are too powerful or because you are unimportant, at worst they will constantly seek to influence (or preferably subjugate) you.
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Post by Caerleon (Tristan) on Nov 2, 2016 1:53:15 GMT
This seems specifically aimed at Mercia/Tir Moreth and seems equally restrictive to being a Lawful realm, but i might be overreacting. I think domain alignment should feel a little restrictive for everyone. Absent domain alignment I wouldn't be involved in Nemeth, and you can be certain I'll get my pound of something for the work I'm putting in.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Nov 2, 2016 1:57:46 GMT
If a Chaotic population is bound by too many treaties it is acting lawful. Thus friction is created. Seems fitting that Mercia don't have a state faith.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Nov 2, 2016 4:14:16 GMT
To what extend does the specifics of the agreemnts you make amtter? Would there, as I think logic dictates, be greater tolerance in Umbria for a Grand coalition to stomp/Murder/kill the ToB than a grand Coalition to meddle in that ungodly mess Nemeth has going on?
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Post by Linde (x-GM) on Nov 2, 2016 12:57:27 GMT
To what extend does the specifics of the agreemnts you make amtter? Would there, as I think logic dictates, be greater tolerance in Umbria for a Grand coalition to stomp/Murder/kill the ToB than a grand Coalition to meddle in that ungodly mess Nemeth has going on? The extend of the specifics matter a lot. An alliance pursuing a joint goal of stomping on Jorn Morrow would not by it self present a problem. So an alliance stating intent and possibilities would be fine: (Umbria and allies may grant each other units and spell services in pursuit of the destruction of the temple of blood, and are intent on upholding non aggression towards each other until Jorn Morrow is no longer the High Warlord of Lothia, and Lothia is unable to threaten the sovereignty of their neighbors.) But even in pursuit of a goal that Umbria has, an alliance that becomes too restrictive could be a problem: (Umbria will grant at least x units each turn, umbria may not deny passage to units of the alliance , Umbria must use x actions each turn towards the goal, umbria may not use specific actions, etc.) - as this is restrictions on the perceived freedom of Umbria. An alliance against ToB/Lothia should be a tool to uphold the independence and integrity of Umbria. And if it is, then the alliance would be fine.
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Post by X-Tir Moreth(Alexander) on Nov 2, 2016 19:50:16 GMT
It is also possible to avoid or mitigate the effects alignment through actions, right? Like using a decree or agitate action to convince your people of a certain course and so on. To a certain degree the alignment is a magically enforced compact between ruler, people and land, but it's also a matter of public opinion.
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Post by Godfred Thraw BayardsKing(GT) on Nov 2, 2016 20:40:40 GMT
it is mainly the public ... the revolts at home had nothing to do with the elf mages ... well I think ....
otherwise it would be enough of a spell to mock ...
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Nov 2, 2016 20:44:09 GMT
Glad to see I've been on mark with my loyal interfering.
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Post by Linde (x-GM) on Nov 3, 2016 7:10:27 GMT
It is also possible to avoid or mitigate the effects alignment through actions, right? To a degree, yes.
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Post by NSE (Falea of Tir Mor) on Nov 3, 2016 15:41:18 GMT
Would being state faith to multiple realms indicate alignment issue if chaotic?
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Post by X-Nemeth on Nov 3, 2016 15:55:25 GMT
Would being state faith to multiple realms indicate alignment issue if chaotic? The way NSE have been rolling, I would most definitely say no . Also, I think the point was that chaotic domain treaties have to be unspecific and lose to give them room to maneuver.
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Post by NSE (Falea of Tir Mor) on Nov 3, 2016 15:58:41 GMT
Heh, NSE really didn't intend to become central to anything - Falea's a hermit and hates all this attention and disruption to their plan of bless & research. This whole war thing is definitely a drag
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