Post by ET (Kerberos) on Nov 28, 2017 16:44:57 GMT
The Magnificient court structure gives as a benefit (among other things) that "you get a +2 bonus to all Court actions.
as dicsused over hte phone: Should this be interpreted as a bonus to all court actions (regardless of whether they get a court modifier) or as a bonus to the court modifier (regardless of whether used for a court action).
I promised I would look this through and I can now say that I have.
Looking over the very old rules for the Magnificent court structure it conveyed: 1) +2 Bonus to diplomacy & court sessions taken in the province where the structure is 2) +4 to investiture ceremonies taken in that province as well 3) +1 court action each turn.
Now it convey: 1) +2 bonus to all Court actions. 2) +4 asset bonus to actions taken to resolve events dealing with matters of court (within you own domain only) 3) Once per turn you may conduct Diplomacy as a Court action at no cost (just as if you had an embassy).
1) has IMO been buffed 2) has IMO been made more usable, but the old version with bonus to investiture was really powerful when investitures were made. So let us call it a situational Buff/Nerf. 3) has been nerfed.
The question as I see it: What was the intention of the building, and why was it changed? As I see it, the intention of the building was to strengthen the diplomatic and political power of the domain who had a magnificent court. The question that follows is then: How does the changes support that?
1) The diplomatic/political power of the domain is buffed, a court action is lost but diplomacy can be conducted at court as a court action each turn. Well in line with strengthening the intention of the building. So versatility is lost but specific diplomatic strength is gained. The "Just as if you had an embassy" part is ambiguous as it either (reading C) clarify that the action is a court action at 0GB cost, or (reading D) implies that the diplomacy has to be conducted at the court, and that those you speak with has to have an embassy or host court there as well. IMO it has to be the first as the latter is just too darn restrictive. On the other hand it seems silly that you sends your extra personnel away on a diplomacy mission and still benefit from +2 to all court actions while they are gone so perhaps it is the third and totally unsubstantiated option, (reading E) that it functions only in the court province but can be conducted with anyone who shows up there.
2) The internal political capability of the domain is buffed. Again well in line with the intention of the building.
3) Reading A:( +2 Bonus to court actions) Diplomatic strength is lost as only diplomacy initiated by the free court action qualify for +2 bonus. Reading B:(+2 court modifier) Diplomatic strength is unchanged, but versatility is gained as a lot of actions, all from military actions taken with wage war to administrate rolls would get +2, and the cap on court modifier would be increased by 40%. IMO, that would leave the updated building just as strong or even stronger than the original.
Reading through the old RoE forums I see that the reading they followed was the strict (reading A), and the reason for the update was that the building wasn't adhering to it's intent and was too powerful in its original form.
So off the bat reading A seems more in line with what was intended.
There is the odd situation in reading A where you get +2 to diplomacy taken as a court action, but not to diplomacy in general. But then again reading B has the odd situation that your troops disband more reliably in Hibernia when so commanded by their General who took a wage war action.
After long considerations I lean towards: 1) Clarifying/changing building benefits to: You get a +2 bonus to all Court actions in any turn where the magnificent court is not used to conduct diplomacy as a court action in another province. Once per turn you may conduct Diplomacy as a Court action at no cost in GB. You may conduct that diplomacy action anywhere where you have diplomatic relations. In addition, you get a +4 asset bonus to actions taken to resolve events dealing with matters of court (within you own domain only), such as discontent among the lesser nobility (if a realm) or functionaries (if an organization).
2) Clarifying that the +2 bonus to all Court actions is an unnamed bonus and thus stack with other bonuses, including other unnamed bonuses. 3) Clarifying that only actions taken as court actions are eligible for the +2 bonus granted by magnificent court.
Thoughts and reasons are welcome..
Would this change & clarifications be too powerful or hurtful in your opinion, and is it still in line with a building meant to strengthen diplomatic and political power?
But for clarification this turn: Until such a time that a change is posted in the rules forum the rules will be interpreted with reading A on point 3 and reading E on point 1.
Post by ET (Kerberos) on Apr 20, 2018 16:16:19 GMT
So having returned I will thread necro this dicusion like a lothian in Circind RISE! RIIIISE!!!!
I like your proposed change that allows the diplomacy action to be used outside your court but at a cost. while popele of low mind might suspect this has to do with my acces to a mmagnificent court nothing could be futher from the truth! Not if you travelled all the way around the world from the truth!!
But really the diplomacy action in your own court province seems relatibely marginal and the ability to use it meaningfully seems rare. I think I've so far used it once and that was for helping another realm deal with an event there.
Post by James Holt (NT) on Apr 20, 2018 16:56:03 GMT
It's more useful to guilds who need a realm action to diplomance. I spent something like 8-9 turns to get my lieutenant converted from soldier to noble so she could diplomance. Then got a general to replace her.
I am altering the treasury. Pray I do not alter it any further.