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Post by Godfred Thraw BayardsKing(GT) on Jun 24, 2016 13:15:50 GMT
English who go out of the EU so much the better they did not want of Europe, maintaining rest of people who want of Europe, but here is which from now on without the English people to plot against her we go to see(visit) if Europe has a future (English are the Elfs of Europe?) We will see
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Jun 24, 2016 14:11:20 GMT
I wonder how long it will be before the scots break free from UK and return to EU
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Post by Godfred Thraw BayardsKing(GT) on Jun 24, 2016 15:22:19 GMT
Go william Wallace Spirit
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Post by Aethor of Helna (ST) on Jun 24, 2016 16:31:29 GMT
Renew the Auld Alliance!
Export Haggis to the EU!
Get a new QUEENINDANORF!
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Jun 24, 2016 16:38:43 GMT
Considering 60% of the Scots voted to remain in the EU and the already troubled situation, the calls going out now to split from the UK are not that far fetched. A suprise to me was Wales its vote. Clearly misinformation ruled there as the largest amount of money and support projects there are EU funded and not UK.
Renew the Auld Alliance indeed. Down with the monarchy.
And mostly as Bayard said: without the UK the EU might finally have a chance.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Jun 24, 2016 16:47:09 GMT
Yeah maybe working a little more together, rather than attempting to exploit for theyre own domestic popularity.
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Jun 24, 2016 16:54:44 GMT
You know, if the EU gets its 16.417.082.032 Euro allocated to the UK for 2014-2020 in the Development- , Solidarity and other funds back we could buy something nice with it. Like a house for every Scotsman who votes to join the EU. Or buy and cancel the Greek and Portugese debts.
(EU statistics from the funds are much more transparant than our national ones. Mostly because we don't really have any decent ones.)
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Post by Aethor of Helna (ST) on Jun 24, 2016 17:32:20 GMT
Also, if the English are elven, that means that Umbria and Tir Moreth will eventually win and conquer the rest of Albion...
...I might have to adjust my plans accordingly.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Jun 24, 2016 17:34:17 GMT
You are half sidhe like Tir Mor yourself already, Arent you Aethor?
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Post by Aethor of Helna (ST) on Jun 24, 2016 17:43:05 GMT
I am indeed. I was totally trying to game the rules and get additional benefits...
...I've since then realized said benefits are ultimately quite meaningless.
However, the justification was that he had family from both Helna and Tir Mor. It also resulted in a rather strong agreement with ET. So other benefits were realized instead.
Also, since I don't have to deal with Bayard, being half-sidhe is not a big deal.
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Post by Godfred Thraw BayardsKing(GT) on Jun 24, 2016 21:51:03 GMT
Yes Mael, more transparant but not democratic i think :
The parliament can nothing against the committee(commission), which nest not elected.... Everywhere in Europe there are two problems:
1) Has people there who think that all the propallid come from immigrants and the same do not like the idea of Europe very rigth (not left)
2) and left opposition who tells that UE is not démocratic because some chains in this treaty Impose to practise right-wing policies liberal preventing social, fiscal harmonizations and political. And leading in TINA "there are no alternative" of tatcher ...
They they are not against the EU but are for more democracy and the possibility according to the votes to alternate left or right economy...
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Jun 25, 2016 0:16:40 GMT
Indeed, a 'chance' as I stated is just that. We are still living in a EU system where, as you've most rightly pointed out, the only people 'elected' are those in parliament. And even that is a shaky proposition in most all European countries. A European Comission ruled by a self selected group of people who nobody has any control over. Something the people in the UK are making noise against and at the same time is caused not in the slightest by effort of said UK to start with. It is a chance, but looking at the recent economic crash and the clear signs and great opportunity to change, I am not expecting it in this regard either. That being said, I'll keep propogating the obvious need for it. A large amount of those people who voted against the EU indeed voted against its undemocratic make up and excesses. Then again, with some insight they'd realize that it is their own politicians who gave shape to and gave into that to start with. That lack of insight is exactly what makes people such easy tools for the powerhungry in a democracy of our kind. After all, the idea of a modern democracy is built on the premise that people are informed. (Hah!) As always it comes down not to the petty divide between 'left' or 'right' but the powerhungry trying to gain more or hold unto the petty power they have. Honestly, quite some people in my conservative society also think immigrants are the 'root of all problems'. At least, they started doing so en masse once our local nationalists and media started convincing the easily fooled ignorant. (Look at my left hand while my right robs you of all your social and health care.) I think the biggest problem in my(/our?) society is that its values are built on blaming others for all its or your woes. Responsibility is something avoided at all cost as taking responsibility or stepping up is equal to taking the blame in our little world. The problem with a trying to make a unified collection out of that mentality is obvious. What good will a society come to when all its effort is poured into putting the blame unto someone (other) instead of geared towards, long term thinking in, solving the problems? Ah. Time for a late night drink to sooth the mind. Bonnne nuit
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Jun 25, 2016 7:19:02 GMT
And if people actually checked EU is quite a transparent for being around 50000 people, and the public do indirectly elect the commission, through there national politicians.
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Post by Aethor of Helna (ST) on Jun 25, 2016 9:49:14 GMT
The often repeated complaint that the commission is unelected would be kinda like complaining that the ministers in a government were unelected. It's not false, but it is misleading.
The people who call the shots in the commission are ultimately appointed from the various member states through some form of political action (I forget the details, so will forego describing them). The civil servants are appointed same as any other governmental body appoints civil service - merit. In fact, the EU might be even better at appointing (civil servants, not the political appointees at the top) by merit than national governments are, because for every civil servant one country might want to appoint, there's 27 countries who could object!
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Post by Maelgwyn ap Cadwgan (TOG) on Jun 25, 2016 13:17:07 GMT
But the ministers in our national government are unelected. It is the parties that apoint people to positions and there is no requirements on them in that regard. Its not a complaint, it is a fact.
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