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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Apr 17, 2018 17:18:41 GMT
My guideline: High level provinces 5-6 Mid level 3-4 Low level 1-3 Based off the largest province in the game being high. When I've previously taken the action to grant positive prosperity, I was told that Gawant (a lvl 5 province + 1 for bless) was considered a mid-level province (2GB cost). So we have been using the pg 23 guideline?
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Post by Alined on Apr 17, 2018 17:56:53 GMT
Yeah, Wessex cost 2 GB, too. Remember that grant can only raise a province's prosperity temporarily (for one turn), though, Agitate is needed to permanently increase it.
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Post by James Holt (NT) on Apr 17, 2018 18:01:56 GMT
My guideline: High level provinces 5-6 Mid level 3-4 Low level 1-3 Based off the largest province in the game being high. When I've previously taken the action to grant positive prosperity, I was told that Gawant (a lvl 5 province + 1 for bless) was considered a mid-level province (2GB cost). I did it for Camelot in T20. Cost me 4GB.
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Post by Mercia(andreas) on Apr 17, 2018 19:47:15 GMT
When I've previously taken the action to grant positive prosperity, I was told that Gawant (a lvl 5 province + 1 for bless) was considered a mid-level province (2GB cost). I did it for Camelot in T20. Cost me 4GB. I dont think i can see it in the PH, are the difference between these 2 pricing model whether it is temp or "real" prosperity?
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Post by SouthWestern Traders on Apr 17, 2018 19:48:54 GMT
I am fairly sure we're both talking about temporary prosperity. If it's any consolation, the final price for my +1 temp prosp was 4GB and 2 court actions.
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Post by Turn Processing Assistant on Apr 17, 2018 23:10:52 GMT
I will admit the costing and application for province size has been inconsistent in the past. So the guideline should read like:
| From | To | High | Highest province level -1 | Highest province level | Mid | Half highest province level +1 | Highest province level -1 | Low | 0 | Half highest province level |
Where the highest province level is currently 6 (Camelot/Robogdii).
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Post by Alined on Apr 18, 2018 0:42:41 GMT
It seems odd for the Grant actions of provinces all over the world to get cheaper the larger the world's largest province is. Maybe it has something to do with microbrews.
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Post by SouthWestern Traders on Apr 18, 2018 0:52:03 GMT
Everyone knows it's cheaper to host festivals in Alaska if there's more people living in Tokyo.
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Post by Turn Processing Assistant on Apr 18, 2018 1:23:59 GMT
It seems odd for the Grant actions of provinces all over the world to get cheaper the larger the world's largest province is. Maybe it has something to do with microbrews. Good point, flat 0-3 4-6 7+
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Aug 4, 2018 19:06:19 GMT
SO how about actions taken against the province ruler in high properity provinces? I'mn thinking of Dl Riada here, where it seems pretty outlandish if the fact that those are high prosperity provinces actually makes it easier rather than harder for TOB and friends to establish hidden holdings to mess with the presumably popular province ruler in the well run province than it would be in a lower prosperity province. The Regents guide page 69 says. " the prosperity rating usually affects actions taken by all domains equally. Sometime, however, the DM may decide it applies only to the province ruler (and possibly his allies/state faith/Royal Guild/court mage). And/or that the modifier is reversed for his declared enemies under some circumstances.". It's hard to think of more thoroughly declared enemies than Umbria/ToB.
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Post by SouthWestern Traders on Aug 4, 2018 20:42:42 GMT
My take on it is that for trade at least, high prosperity is always beneficial for trade.
But the same might not be true for other holdings.
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Post by Alined on Aug 4, 2018 20:43:14 GMT
Prosperity doesn't represent loyalty, it's more about how easy it is to do business there. A province with very high prosperity can be chaotic and decadent, rife with corruption, complacent, frenzied, or otherwise disturbed. It may be booming, but that not necessarily a good thing for the ruler unless that's combined with a stable and strong government.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Aug 5, 2018 3:29:08 GMT
Prosperity doesn't represent loyalty, it's more about how easy it is to do business there. A province with very high prosperity can be chaotic and decadent, rife with corruption, complacent, frenzied, or otherwise disturbed. It may be booming, but that not necessarily a good thing for the ruler unless that's combined with a stable and strong government. Prosperity does not solely represent loyalty, but it is very much a component of it (Regent guide page 22). Under no possible interpretation does prosperity represent decadent, rife with corruption, complacent frenzied or otherwise disturped. this would be linked to low prosperity. It's really hard to see how it is easier to establish hidden holdings to undermine the ruler in a province where the population is loyal and have a high degree of well being and where thing generally run effectively.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Aug 5, 2018 3:35:35 GMT
My take on it is that for trade at least, high prosperity is always beneficial for trade. But the same might not be true for other holdings. Prosperity would arguably positively affect trade more broadly than say law, but even then I don't see how that would work with hidden holdings and even with non hidden holding I don't think it would be unconditional. A Loyal and happy populace would be less likely to frequent the shop that was explicitly devoted to bringing down the governement. The regent guide explicitly say that prosperoty is not always applied with the regular modifier but sometimes only to allies and sometimes oppposed for enemies.
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Post by ET (Kerberos) on Aug 5, 2018 3:40:42 GMT
Question for step 5 above: 1) The prosperity noted in the PH is in fact not the one used to modify actions? 2)Or is step 5 only activated during next turn? 3)Does that also apply to agitates, even if the agitate action description specifically states it is always negatively modified by any and all prosperity related modifiers? 1) the prosperity in the P&H is always the one used to modify actions. But sometimes it aid and other times it hinder, removing temporary modifiers from the P&H and checking if the prosperity is turbulent or lower will allow you to see if enemy actions will be positively modified by prosperity. 2) No. 3) Yes and no. The modifier is positive DAC wise, but seeing as Prosperity doesn't modify the DAC of Agitate, it only serves to set DDC, then the positive modifier is of no use. 3) Looking over the rules for my current issue the rules actually cite getting a bonus to negative agitation as an effect of low properity in the example on page 22. "Example: Teh BAron of Roesone has a very low prosperity in Caereas, meaning that the people are pretty dissatified. When his enemy the Duke of Diemed, agitated against him, he actually gets a bonus to the DAC of his (negative) agitate action."
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